Posts by Old Navy

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JWs MUST Accept The Watchtower Teachings EVEN When They Are Wrong!

by minimus in

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isn't it unbelievable that a jehovah's witness must accept whatever the organization says or they can be disfellowshipped??

unless they tell you that their understanding has changed, you cannot believe anything unless they say it's ok. .

many years ago i questioned them about their ridiculous view that whenever the word "heart" was mentioned, it was a literal blood filled organ.

Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?

by stuckinarut2 in

so we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".

however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.

(for example, those destroyed in the flood.

Old Navy

In Truth, the Bible does tell us who will be resurrected. All will be resurrected.

Not a single one will be forgotten. The Son of Man came to save the Whole World.

The period of Judgment and the Lake of Fire will refine all of us - even the very "worst."

We do not know yet the details on how all who've suffered great injustice will be compensated or how those who've done grievous acts of murder and mayhem will be rehabilitated, but it will be done.

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X/LDS vs X/JW!!!Who is more twisted and bitter.

by joe134cd in

since leaving the jws i have become fascinated by the lds church, because of the similarities both organisations have.

in reading x-mo forums i get the impression that they tend to be not as bitter and as twisted as xjw.

this is surprising as i think the lds is a bigger con than the jws.

My experience has been that Mormons are very friendly and associate freely with non-Mormons. I knew of many Mormons in the Navy where they tend to gravitate to the highly technical ratings/specialties or are commissioned officers with college education. Military service to the Mormons is quite acceptable as are government jobs/positions including politics without limitation.

I knew several x-Jws in the Navy and they, by comparison, were quite screwed up on account of the Cult Mind Control conditioning. They were all of the opinion that they'd made the wrong choice in trying to escape the Cult through Naval Service and were looking for a way out of the Navy to return to the Cult. Most of them tried to associate with witness Congregations whenever we were in a port that had any. They seemed to be welcomed to the activities and weren't shunned by the witnesses abroad.

I knew of none (x-Jws that is) who, like myself, were pleased to be out of the Cult and intending to make the Navy a career. Of course I didn't advertise the fact that I was an xJw since I really had no plans to ever rejoin the Cult.

While I was attending language school in Arlington, Virginia and living in Falls Church, Virginia, we were neighbors with a Mormon family and we became very close. My wife and I agreed to their familiarization presentation in our home (sort of a recruiting effort) but there was never any pressure exerted upon us to join them. We were close friends the entire time I was stationed there.

The Mormons do not consume alcohol or caffeinated beverages and make great effort to eat natural and nutritious foods. I was truly impressed with their cleanliness and their very healthy appearances.

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"Secret Sins"... a catalyst for change both negative and positive

by silentbuddha in

i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.

whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.

in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.

Old Navy

Quote from Silent Buddha:

Buddhism is an intriguing faith... so much so that even in my distaste for religion have a profound respect for the belief system.

I agree. SGI Buddhism doesn't consider itself to be a religion but rather a philosophy of life. I see much there that makes sense. They do strive to be good people with considerably more flexibility than Christendom would be comfortable with. I support my wife in her activities since she has devoted nearly her entire life to the group, but I could never join them. The chanting to their "object of worship" doesn't appeal to me. Quite a few military have joined the group both enlisted and commissioned. Some are my good friends.

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"Secret Sins"... a catalyst for change both negative and positive

by silentbuddha in

i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.

whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.

in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.

Old Navy

Woooops - a senior moment struck again! Was reading two topics and got confused:

Meant to say Silent Buddha may be on to something!

My wife is from Japan and is Soka Gakkai Buddhist.

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"Secret Sins"... a catalyst for change both negative and positive

by silentbuddha in

i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.

whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.

in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.

Old Navy

I think Pale Emperor may be on to something. My last association with a congregation (1998-2003) was an eye-opening experience where I began to see TTATT even before I knew what it was. The numbers of young wives leaving their husbands was unbelievable. Nearly all went to the World. I now have a better understanding why.

While it is true that many leave the Cult in a state of high morality, it seemed to me that most left the Cult during my association for reasons of "immorality." Can't really blame them...

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Shocking news

by Confusedalot in

i recently posted about what would happen if my mom got sick,seeing that i'm apostate.

even today i posted on a thread about blood transfusions.. i just received a text from my brother saying that my mom is in hospital and requires a transfusion to survive....is this a coincidence?.

am i being punished by jehovah, or is the devil out to get me...i dont know anymore what to do.... things are getting too much, guess i should not have joked so much in my posts..

Old Navy

The Jews were Gods chosen people...

The House of Israel (Jacob) was chosen. The "Jews" (Judeans) or House of Judah made up the Southern Kingdom and were very, very stiff-necked or prideful and arrogant. "Jewish Thinking" originated in Babylon during the exile and later with the creation of their "Holy Books" which superseded the Torah.

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Please vaccinate your children

by Viviane in

and remember your boosters as adults!.

currently there is a measles outbreak in the u.s. the outbreak is clustered into communities where parents choose not to get their children vaccinated.

vaccination works primarily on herd immunity.

Old Navy

When one discovers the number of infants, toddlers and teens who have died following vaccination one does have pause for thought.

Why are some vaccines so deadly and others relatively benign?

What sorts of ingredients make up the typical vaccine?

Have vaccines ever been used to spread disease, create epidemics or to propagate a new disease?

The complete Truth about vaccines, how they are produced and what they contain is not encouraging.

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Let's talk about Blood again....

by stuckinarut2 in

i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.

something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.

an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?

Old Navy

Quote from This Page:

John 6:53-56 ESV
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

Food for thought...

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Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

by allpoweredup in

to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

(mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

Old Navy

Here is a very comprehensive article about The Law and Blood.

Quote from the article:

It is still true that blood is sacred; Jesus died to save us from our sins, and his blood is spoken of throughout the NT as vital and sacred. The REAL question is, is the eating of blood still to be equated with profaning life? Not in most modern cases of incidental consumption of blood. Furthermore, does the usage of blood as a vehicle of saving lives (as in blood transfusions) at the same time constitute a profanation of life, or a respect for life? The answer should be obvious.
It also must be clarified that transfusing blood is not the same as eating blood. The WT confuses the issue by pointing out that blood acts as a kind of "food" in transfusions (see Blood, Medicine and the Law of God, pages 17,18), whereas the REAL issue they should be concerned with is whether or not the use of blood to save a life is profaning it. Such is certainly not the case when a person is dying, and a blood transfusion may save their life.
It is important to note that orthodox Jews today, while STILL OBEYING the OT laws against the eating of blood, believe there is nothing wrong with taking a blood transfusion. Even the legalistic Jewish mind does not make such a connection, yet the Governing Body of the WT forces this interpretation on their people.

Much more at the link above.